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Mary Ferguson's avatar

What happens when MN decides they want to be part of Canada?

Cathy's avatar

New England and Cascadia as well.

Daniel Pareja's avatar

740 thousand people in Connecticut voted for Donald.

380 thousand people in Maine voted for Donald.

1.25 million people in Massachusetts voted for Donald.

1.5 million people in Minnesota voted for Donald.

395 thousand people in New Hampshire voted for Donald.

920 thousand people in Oregon voted for Donald.

215 thousand people in Rhode Island voted for Donald.

120 thousand people in Vermont voted for Donald.

1.5 million people in Washington voted for Donald.

That's seven million people I want nowhere near my country.

Whit Blauvelt's avatar

Purifying the homeland of those viewed as others is the core fascist project. Harris got 235,791votes in Vermont. We don't need to run the Trumpist minority out. Many of them just voted GOP out of habit, not out of close attention to who Trump really is.

Daniel Pareja's avatar

There's a difference between wanting to run Trump-friendly Canadians out of Canada (I don't; they have as much right to be here as I do) and not wanting to add new Trump-friendly people to Canada.

Canada is under no obligation to take in anyone wishing to flee the Trump regime, much less entire states.

Whit Blauvelt's avatar

Obligation? Certainly not! Still, New England's culture is more similar to Canada's than, say, any of the former Confederate states. Also, we're the most literate Americans, with some of the best universities in the world. When America breaks up -- perhaps soon -- we're far more likely to ally with Canada and Europe than with the revived Confederacy that the Trumpists are working to set up.

I like Charles, but have no desire for a king at all.

Daniel Pareja's avatar

And meanwhile I am a staunch monarchist (not because of any loyalty to the Windsors--Chuck needs to get out of the way until there's a monarch who'll turn over Andy for prosecution--but because I see parliamentary constitutional monarchy as the best form of government; see my brief explanation here: https://canadianreturnee.substack.com/p/why-canadas-system-works-when-others/comment/206768480. One of these days I might get around to writing some long rambling piece further detailing my views on the matter). So I would oppose any addition to the Canadian polity that might hazard the monarchy. (However, the status of the monarchy is protected in Canada under the unanimous consent procedure for constitutional amendment, and that procedure is itself protected by unanimous consent, so here simply adding more provinces would not immediately put it at risk of abolition.)

I would of course welcome any geopolitical alignment with New England, or Cascadia, or Minnesota, or other such states or regions, against Donald's regime, in the event of internecine conflict in the United States that might reach us, but that does not mean I would, during or after such a conflict, wish to add those areas to the Canadian polity. (I would also be extremely hesitant to recognise such areas as independent countries, because just as I would decry the United States for recognising an independent Alberta prior to its having properly seceded pursuant to Canadian law, I would similarly decry Canada for recognising an independent Vermont prior to its having properly seceded pursuant to United States law.)

Daniel Pareja's avatar

46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,

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(b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto

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(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,

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(c) conspires with any person to commit high treason

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(d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason ... and manifests that intention by an overt act

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(3) Notwithstanding subsection (1) or (2), a Canadian citizen or a person who owes allegiance to [His] Majesty in right of Canada,

(a) commits high treason if, while in or out of Canada, he does anything mentioned in subsection (1); or

(b) commits treason if, while in or out of Canada, he does anything mentioned in subsection (2).

(4) Where it is treason to conspire with any person, the act of conspiring is an overt act of treason.

Albertans are quite welcome, in my view, to advocate for separation and even to vote on the question. What they are not welcome to do is attempt to declare independence unilaterally, without the consent required by the Constitution Act, 1982, or seek foreign recognition of an independent Alberta in the event of a successful referendum until such time as the necessary resolutions have been enacted to effect separation. (The proper standard for secession, in my view, is the unanimous consent requirement, because secession would entail a change to the office of the Lieutenant Governor of the province seceding, so any attempt to declare independence outside of that process--a process to which Alberta, unlike Quebec, positively agreed in the early 1980s, so they do not even have the moral claim that Quebec separatists do--would almost certainly constitute a violation of 46(1)(b).)

On a more grounded note, they're full of shit about the benefits of independence anyway: https://www.coreyhogan.ca/p/three-alberta-separatism-myths

Tom's avatar

Well said Daniel. Thank you.

John C Rains's avatar

What if we make a trade? Trump gets Alberta in exchange for Washington, Oregon, California, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts! Who else wants to join our friends in Canada?

John C Rains's avatar

Good point! Any one know?

Daniel Pareja's avatar

This Canadian doesn't. Seven million Donald voters (California alone is another six million), no thanks.

We'd be swelling our population by almost 90% to accept the nine states I listed (including Rhode Island, Connecticut and Minnesota, but excluding California, compared to your list) with a voter profile substantially different from what our polity currently has. That would immediately warp our politics in ways in which I at least would not want.

(If you want to say "we'll be a territory", well, we do give our territories representation in Parliament, for one, and for another we give them representation according to their population; prior to the creation of Alberta and Saskatchewan, the area was a territory and did receive seats in the Commons--though not the Senate--commensurate with its population. So if we follow our own Constitutional practice this would have the same effect regardless.)

Whit Blauvelt's avatar

You'd be under a Conservative, Trump-friendly government in Canada now if the US hadn't provided the example of how bad Trumpism really is. Your last national election was a counter-reaction. The rest of the former Western world, so far, is leaning away from Trumpism, thus towards a more liberal, progressive order.

Daniel Pareja's avatar

I agree; one of the factors that moved the electorate here away from Poilievre was what we saw of the first few months of Donald's administration. That doesn't mean that I'm in any way interested in southward territorial expansion. We have our own issues and we will solve our own issues; we're not here to solve the issues of disgruntled border states as well, however poorly 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue might be treating them.

Tom's avatar

Mike, thank you for this. I am Canadian. I live in Alberta. I see the separatist posts on social media, especially 'X', and it is terrifying. Terrifying because it is constant, and organized, and the lies are vile. And I know the separatist campaign is not being funded internally. It scares the hell out of me.

Stephen Strum, MD, FACP's avatar

I am apologizing for this long post, but I bring with it factual content, not a rant but instead a pointed discussion that is intended to inform. So bear with me. I have spent the last two hours compiling this.

In the early 1980s, I came to understand what Ignaz Semmelweis must have experienced in the 1850s that drove him mad. Semmelweis noted a relationship between women dying after childbed fever (called puerperal sepsis) and the prior examination of their bodies by physicians who had come from the autopsy room. These physicians did not wear gloves, and they did not wash their hands.

Semmelweis noted that the nuns at Vienna General Hospital washed their hands in carbolic acid. These nuns cared for women who had uneventful deliveries and healthy babies. It was clear cause and effect as a result of keen observation that led Semmelweis to discover the cause of death in such women.

About one hundred years later, I felt the same way being one of only six investigators for a new combination hormonal blockade of male hormone to treat far-advanced, metastatic prostate cancer to bone and other tissues like lung and liver. Men who had been told to go home and die were dramatically improved. Many went on to outlive the MDs (medical deities) that were quick to announce them as dead men walking.

It took years for my colleagues to see what was clearly apparent and what would have been verified or validated if only their eyes and ears were receptive. "You see what you want to see; you hear what you want to hear." Harry Nilsson in The Point, Chapter 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRul4JoHepY

I am not a reincarnation of Nostradamus. I am not psychic. I am, however, a keen observer. My MD stands for Medical Detective. Basically, I am a crime scene investigator-- if you get my drift.

What I see in the current administration is a psychologically depraved POTUS, overcome with Greed that involves material wealth as well as what I would call consumed by a sick ego. He is so inward turned that sympathy, caring for others, compassion are meaningless to him. He is fixated on negating any positive events relating to Obama, Biden and all who in his demented mind compete with him. That in itself should have set off many alarms if our vetting system was effective; it is and remains not the case.

But this miscreant POTUS, hell-bent on revenge, has found personalities as equally sick as he and these are his appointees to the executive cabinet. To add insult to major injury, we have justices on the SCOTUS who have been corrupted and both congressmen and senators in Congress who are equally tainted and morally bankrupt. This is not simply the perfect storm, it is a fucking maelstrom; it is our worst nightmare. Our children and theirs will live in a world unimaginable.

All of the areas that Brock has detailed are part of Trump's game plan, basically a Russian narrative, to destroy Democracy and replace it with a Fascist regime. I am tired of Democrats mincing words or even Democratic-minded news commentators walking the politically correct line. What we have is a replay of Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Third Reich, Franco's Spain and Putin's tyranny. What you see in Minneapolis is of course not Hitler's Gestapo wearing Gestapo uniforms with swastikas. But what you see is a 2026 counterpart that is blatantly valid in being called Gestapo. Beating people, murdering citizens with shots to the head or ten shots to the body, kidnapping children, and disappearing others-- what does it take to infuriate any and every decent human being?

Trump has committed treason in violating multiple Constitutional Amendments. He is like Willie Sutton, the bank robber. He is stealing benefits to tax-payers to divert them into monetary wealth for himself and his family and cronies. But just look at the current issues around ICE.

This debate on funding the Federal budget is a mockery. It should not be considered- just look at the current state of ICE funding and recruitment. Why is not the mainstream media detailing this:

Number of ICE agents in 2026

As of January 2026, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has expanded its workforce to over 22,000 officers and agents following a major recruitment surge that more than doubled its personnel from 10,000. The FY 2026 budget proposal outlines 21,808 positions and 21,786 full-time equivalents (FTEs).

New ICE Agents

ICE Announces Historic 120% Manpower Increase, Thanks to Recruitment Campaign that Brought in 12,000 Officers and Agents

Release Date: January 3, 2026

WASHINGTON — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) today announced that its unprecedented nationwide recruitment campaign has shattered expectations, hiring more than 12,000 officers and agents in less than a year.

After receiving more than 220,000 applications to join ICE from patriotic Americans, ICE blew past its original hiring target of 10,000 new officers and agents within a year. In fact, we have more than doubled our officers and agents from 10,000 to 22,000. With these new patriots on the team, we will be able to accomplish what many say was impossible and fulfill President Trump’s promise to make America safe again.

12,000 new ICE agents in the last year; sign-on bonus of up to $50,000. Total = $600 million dollars just for ICE salary. This is not the cost of armored vehicles, military assault weapons, cannisters of tear gas and pepper spray, transporting of ICE over the country, food, housing, and who knows what graft a la Holman's $50,000.

Do we need 22,000 ICE agents for immigration and customs enforcement with a 2025 budget of $29 billion dollars, while the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA or OBBA) calls for up to $49 billion dollars. Here are some details about the ICE budget. Can you imagine the healthcare or childcare or what the proper use of so many billions of dollars could be used for? This is what we are funding. The air craft carrier in the Caribbean cost $3-6 Million per day just for operating costs. How many billions of dollars were spent on war games in these lawless antics?

Based on information from late January 2026, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has already received a massive, multi-year funding boost that makes it the highest-funded federal law enforcement agency in the country, even before considering current, smaller appropriations bills.

Here is the breakdown of the planned expenditure:

⫸ Total Funding (Already Enacted/Pending)

$75 Billion (2025–2029): Passed last year via the "One Big, Beautiful Bill Act," ICE was allocated a $75 billion supplemental funding package to be spent over four years, averaging $18.75 billion per year.

⫸ ~ $10 Billion (Annual Base Budget): In addition to the supplemental funding, the pending 2026 Homeland Security bill maintains ICE’s regular annual base budget at approximately $10 billion.

⫸ Combined Annual Budget: Combined, the agency is operating with a total available annual budget of nearly $29 billion, effectively tripling its funding from recent years.

Key Expenditure Areas

⫸ $45 Billion for Detention: Of the 4-year supplemental, $45 billion is specifically designated for expanding detention centers, with goals to increase capacity to over 100,000–125,000 beds.

⫸ $30 Billion for Operations: The remaining 4-year supplemental funds ($30 billion) are for enforcement, including hiring 10,000 new officers.

⫸ 2026 Appropriations: The pending 2026 bill includes $20 million for body cameras for ICE/CBP agents.

How can Democrats in Congress remain silent about the above? Where is the investigative reporting of the mainstream media?

James Gillen's avatar

Trump 2.0 is basically Captain America: The Winter Soldier if HYDRA won.

Charley Ice's avatar

Can we presume the original records are preserved somewhere? The obvious play here is to destroy evidence, manufacture evidence, and -- presto! -- announce more corruption. AI rules?

John Quiggin's avatar

There is no way back from this within the current constitution. Even a big Democratic win in a future election (neither the win nor the election is sure to happen) would not save the US. As long as the Republican party is a contender for political power, the trend is downwards

Jeanne Elbe's avatar

We got trouble right here in River City. With a capital T.

We are equal to it . LFG.

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Daniel Pareja's avatar

From what I've heard it used to be standard practice in the US for corporate charters to expire after forty years or so, with the property interests being sold and the money being distributed among creditors and investors.

Then some big company that was about to lose its charter and be dissolved (I think it was Standard Oil, but I'm not sure) went around to various states, offering to move its operations (and jobs) there if they made corporate charters perpetual.

Regulatory arbitrage resulting in a race to the bottom is an old, old game.

Whit Blauvelt's avatar

Early colonial corporations were formed for time-limited projects, like building a toll road. So yes, they had lifetimes specified in their charters.

The first major corporations, the Dutch and British East India Companies, had initial charters with time limits (21 and 15 years, respectively). But in the British case, King James I extended the charter to "perpetual" in 1609. We got the model for the perpetual corporation from the same guy who sponsored the official English Bible translation.

I'd credit the British monarchy for that one. You know, the lineage of the current Canadian head of state?

Daniel Pareja's avatar

Lineage is stretching it when you consider the jump from Anne of Stuart to George of Hanover. Further, the comparison is not especially warranted given the difference in the de facto powers of the monarch in 1609 compared to 2026.

Further, those European corporations you named, yes, the British East India Company received a perpetual charter, but that was at a time when incorporation was not a matter of general procedure. Perpetual corporate charters as a matter of standard law came later.