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Shelagh Huston's avatar

Thank you, Mike. This is the clearest description I’ve read of what we as Canadians, and all we as world citizens, are facing. What we’re really waiting for is - what are you US citizens going to do about it? To us more sedate Canadians, you’ve always seemed to be effusively patriotic. Now we’re going to see just how much you really love the ideals you brought into existence, that beacon to the world, the equality your Founders declared was self-evident. We want to know - what will you do to ensure that “government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth”? Will you defend your Constitution?

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

Here is what Americans can do. Sell your stocks, crypto and all other financial assets.

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sotoportego's avatar

Maybe intentionally, or, forgive me, maybe not, your use of the word "you" and the phrase "you US cutizens" seems to spread collective guilt on all Americans, past and present, for a political nightmare beyond imagining only a few weeks ago.

Recall that barely more than a third of elegible US voters voted for Trump, and many of them, fools that they were, did not expect "this", and consider that the author of this substack is expressing a dismay and outrage and fear that is shared by million of his fellow Anericans.

As Canadians we look to the future with fear and trepidation. Non-MAGA Americans also fear for tomorrow, and in addition to hundreds of thousands of unjust job losses, they are living a very real nightmare today, present tense, that affects every corner of their lives going forward. Let's show a bit of empathy, eh?

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Shelagh Huston's avatar

I certainly didn’t intend to blame all US citizens for the political nightmare you correctly say all Americans are suffering from. I know very well that millions of Americans are at least as horrified as I am - including the bio-descendants of this Canadian grandmother, all of whom are American citizens. But I am calling on all of them, especially those who can see how serious the danger to democracy is, to defend the Constitution.

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JC Graham's avatar

I hope that America's (former) allies understand that while the U. S. Presidency is temporarily occupied by an asset of an hostile foreign state that is attempting to destroy us through him, Americans as a whole retain our great affection and solidarity with our dear neighbors Canada and Mexico, Ukraine, NATO countries, and other friendly nations. Let us together oppose authoritarianism and the ongoing destruction of this once-great republic and its relationships with other freedom-loving peoples.

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Hillary Sillitto's avatar

The rest of the world is watching and hoping and wishing you will do exactly that. But since it's not happening, we can't afford to wait any longer in hope, but instead have to assume this is the world we are now living in and act accordingly.

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Margi Prideaux, PhD's avatar

That we are, and the signals are not good. What American's seem fail to see is this wholesale upending of international order is having real-world impacts on the rest of us ... and we get no vote, have no power to influence or overthrow the tyrany. The 'once-great Republic' has always been a bully, but we tolerated that because there was an agreement of stability. No more.

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kk's avatar

there have been will continue to be boycotts, protests, phonebanks to representatives, donations to democrats in special elections, the support of the rise of independent media, mass vandalizing of tesla cars and dealerships. honest question, without defensiveness, is there something else we can be doing to show the world we reject this bullshit?

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Melanie R. E. Wildman's avatar

I do not understand your question. The US government has made explicit its plan to annex Canada through economic warfare & withdrawal of mutual defence assurances. Secretary of State Rubio said on Canadian soil, “It is not a meeting about how we're going to take over Canada.”

This is the stark reality Canadians must contend with. Your fight to preserve your way of life, your freedom & your democracy has our support and solidarity, but your country is - and will remain - a threat to our sovereignty.

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kk's avatar

what you write ("[the united states] is - and will remain - a threat to [canada's] sovereignty") is heartbreakingly true. my question above ("is there something else we can be doing to show the world we reject this bullshit?") was in response to your statement: "What American's seem fail to see is this wholesale upending of international order is having real-world impacts on the rest of us."

my questions is: are there more ways to show solidarity for those of us who get it? jared polis (governor of colorado) named march 15th colorado canada friendship day" and i called and gave him profuse thanks. in addition to what i wrote above (i.e. protesting, boycotting, etc.), i'm volunteering to phonebank for special elections to flip the house, setting up visits with my reps, joining mutual aid groups, talking to everyone i know, etc. i was asking (in good faith, truly) if there was another way for those of us who are disgusted by what trump is doing (to our allies especially) to show that we stand with you?

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Margi Prideaux, PhD's avatar

You are one of the few doing everything you can, Kirby. So it's difficult to say what more, you alone, can do. It's your countrymen who are the problem, and thier insular apathy that feeds the machine that keeps them locked in thier mindset.

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Hillary Sillitto's avatar

A national tax strike? I dunno, it's hard. The time to nip this in the bud was 7 Jan 2021, then to pack the Supreme Court. History will not be kind to those who were too complacent and should have known better. They let you down and you're trying to recover from a very difficult place.

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Alexis's avatar

At the rate Americans are waking up to the perils of Fascism, it will be decades before the USA does anything to stop the spread. Words at this point mean less than nothing. Only actions, and the actions I see are a start but they aren’t big enough and they won’t make the “government” afraid of “the people”. You need massive protests of millions of people and they need to take to the streets, shit down the entire country and STAY THERE. The Courts won’t stop them, none of the so-called guard rails will stop them, only PEOPLE POWER WILL!

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JOHN BERRY's avatar

Speaking for half the country. Trumpf"s 45% (more or less) approval rating speaks volumes. It will take many many years before Canadians will see the DUSA as a friend, much less an ally! Sad!

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Michael Portelance's avatar

Yes, I admit I was ready to paint you all with the same brush as an emotional response to the betrayal but these have subsided. The rational response is to work together as brothers.

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David Richman's avatar

While forcing Canada to its knees in supplication to Trump and, more to your point, the ideology of Cutis Yarvin, the prize at the end of this rainbow, if you will, is the wealth of resources sitting below Canadian soil and throughout its mountains. Vast deposits of uranium, gold, nickel, copper, zinc, iron ore, lithium, cobalt and oil undoubtedly has Trump’s billionaire patrons salivating at the prospect of getting their hands on so vast a reserve that has the potential of generating trillions of dollars (US) of profit. Access to those resources has long been a trademark of Canadian-American relations (just look at the sale of crude oil to US distributors at a significant discount which has served the interests of both countries for decades) and could and should become the centerpiece of a new trade agreement between the countries that, in the hands of competent government, could become a model for economic intercourse world-wide. Instead, the security interests of both countries and, in particular, those of the United States become secondary to a “might-makes-right” ideology intended to stroke the ego of one man; that seeks to force Canada to lie prostrate before Trump with his boot on its neck and beg Trump to lift that boot in willing exchange for unfettered access of Canada’s mineral deposits and oil fields.

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Mike Gee's avatar

All true. And beyond Canadian resources, Trump and Putin prefer to look at climate change as a fait accompli. The elimination of Arctic Ocean ice seems to them to be highly exploitable, enabling new arctic ports (Russia has always been obsessed with securing warm water ports) to access newly opened shipping lanes over the top of the world. This is a 21st century Manifest Destiny revival, and they plan to run over any people who get in the way.

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Manda Scott's avatar

I'm in the UK watching this unfold with horror - and considering that the old world order is now over and is likely never coming back

and that it was what brought us to the bring of biophysical collapse. So while I personally was living a comfortable life, it was not - and will never be - a sustainable system

so then the question becomes - how do we who care about the continuation of complex life on earth (at least this iteration of it) evolve a new system, predicated on values that actually bring us forward towards a future we'd be proud to leave behind? (And that doesn't result in the extinction of humanity)?

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Trystan's avatar

L'État, c'est moi. Disgusting amoral behavior

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Marleymon's avatar

My country initiated this criminal behavior. I would say Canada has no obligation whatsoever to us. I wouldn’t blame them if they cut off all energy exports for the duration of Trump’s term. Don’t play his game. Many of us are so sorry.

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Trystan's avatar

Yep

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JOHN BERRY's avatar

I think a substantial export tax by Canada on energy exports to the DUSA is very probable.

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Jacqueline Brinsmead's avatar

I think it is highly unlikely. Danielle Smith has very little interest in making any type of sacrifice to support Canada. She is more interested in threatening PM Carney and and threatening secession.

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JRT's avatar

You appear to be one of the very few Americans who gets it in its entirety. Refreshing to read! I appreciate your thorough and deep understanding of the existential threat that we Canadians suddenly are facing thanks to the unhinged megalomaniac that your fellow countrymen sought to put in the position of ultimate global power.

I hope that there are more of you than not in your country, and that you eventually stand up for what is right for all of us. Sadly, something tells me that I perhaps shouldn't hold my breath.

Anyway, I'll be reading you! Glad to have found your Substack..

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Gayle Kominar's avatar

Thankyou from a Canadian for your support of our sovereignty 🇨🇦

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Federico's avatar

Hi, in Italian we use the word "statunitense" to define those who live in the country between Canada and Mexico, while with American we mean from Chile to Canada.

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JOHN BERRY's avatar

Indeed. AMERICA

is a pair of Continents. The Disunited country south of us is DUSA. Pronounced "DOOZA"

🇨🇦🇺🇦🇨🇦🇮🇹🇨🇦

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Martin  Grosskopf's avatar

Well said - and yes Canadians finally have something to unify over. 🇨🇦

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GetUp's avatar

I am not sure Trump understands the deep and complex integration of the US and Canadian economies that has evolved over the last 300 years. Canada and the US both came from the same parent which allowed both of them to born with the proverbial silver spoon in their mouths. Both countries have thrived from lack of an adversary nearby, friendly relationships with each other, and both being democracies and capitalists. Both are huge countries with vast resources. Trying to dismantle this long and evolving relationship with a simplistic tool like tariffs will not work out well for either country.

I am a multi generation Canadian who has studied the history of both Canada 🇨🇦 and USA 🇺🇸

This mutually beneficial relationship is far bigger than the any current administration. Both Americans and Canadians benefit from having a separate democratic and capitalist country north of the US border. It is in individual Americans best interest to have a strong free Canada.

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Bill Vann's avatar

Most of us highly eespect our Canadian neighbors, allies, trade partners and will support your independence and friendship. My daughter in law is Canadian. You are family in a sense. Bill V

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To Be Frank's avatar

I think you miss the point. This is a fight against the globalist agenda, we can no longer continue on a path of endless wars and spending that will surely destroy the country. The US is deficit spending a trillion dollars every hundred days. Bad trade policies, illegal immigration and fraud are quickly destroying life in the US. Country's like Canada, Mexico and most of Europe have for too long exploited these relationships to the detriment of the US and it must stop now. You should turn your energy towards your own country and ask for better leadership. Canada has been managed into the ground. Ridiculous economic policies and erosion of civil liberties have destroyed the country. You deserve what you get when you keep voting in the same polices.

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Mike Brock's avatar

Frank, allow me to be frank.

Your response is an incoherent jumble of grievances, stitched together by resentment rather than reason. You invoke “globalists” as a kind of intellectual get-out-of-jail-free card, a catch-all bogeyman that explains everything and nothing at once.

Yes, U.S. deficit spending is reckless. Yes, bad trade policy has consequences. Yes, immigration requires management. None of these points are novel, and none justify the farcical notion that Canada is some cunning geopolitical parasite draining America’s strength.

Your entire argument collapses under the weight of its own contradictions. You rail against deficit spending—then demand economic isolationism, which would further cripple U.S. trade and growth. You denounce fraud—yet support an administration that treats the law as a formality. You claim to oppose “endless wars”—while backing a foreign policy that alienates allies, strengthens adversaries, and accelerates global instability.

And while you pontificate about how America is finally standing up for itself, Trump is launching airstrikes in Yemen and threatening to attack Iran—the exact kind of interventionist blundering you claim to oppose. A trillion dollars in deficit spending every hundred days, and where is it going? Right back into the machinery of war, into the Middle East quagmire that every serious person knows is unwinnable. So tell me, Frank, is this the fight against “globalism” you had in mind?

Your suggestion that Canada has “exploited” the U.S. is particularly laughable. Canada has fought alongside America in nearly every modern war, subsidized American energy security, and maintained the most peaceful border on earth—all while withstanding constant economic and political whiplash from Washington’s latest tantrum.

You declare that Canadians “deserve what they get” for electing poor leaders. Yet strangely, you don’t apply that logic to Americans who cheer for the looting of their own institutions. If democracy means anything, it means taking responsibility for your own choices rather than blaming imaginary cabals and foreign scapegoats.

So, Frank, let’s indeed be frank: your argument isn’t an argument. It’s a lament dressed as a position, an excuse to avoid reckoning with the real source of America’s decline—an anti-democratic movement within its own borders, fueled not by foreign exploitation, but by self-inflicted decay.

Put down the nationalist fairytales. Pick up a history book. And if you insist on being “frank,” at least try to be right.

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Kris's avatar

Franks post sounds like a regurgitation of RW talking points with no critical thought taking place between when he hears or reads the points and spews it back out. It’s just like how they like their masses- pliable and no thinking, easy to manipulate .

As regards the deficit - why do the democratic presidents who reduce the deficit never meet with the MAGA/tea party RW approval . They seem not to be aware that DemocratIC presidents have reduced the deficits.

US bullying other countries , following in Putins footsteps bc it’s the Kremlin playbook - that is a thing of the past. The 3rd Reich is last century - were done with the less sophisticated barbaric behavior of the past. We’re about alliances , relationships , if you don’t like this, you’re going to watch the rest of the world develop right on past us- with US Econ no longer the envy of the world , left in a dustbin - exactly like Putin wants.

Why, Frank, are you choosing treason against the US? Now is the time - you’ll either stand up like a REAL American against tyranny and against Russia, or you’re a traitor. Every time you post - people see which side you’re on.

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Jason Martin's avatar

There is no country on earth that benefits more from the "globalist agenda", as you put it, than the United States. You have 5% of the population, but consume 25% of global resources. Trump tells you that the US has been victimized by bad trade policies, so you believe him without asking questions. Your country isn't getting ripped off; quite the contrary, no nation on earth has plundered as widely and deeply as the US. No country has overthrown more elected leaders, invaded more countries, extorted emerging economies with the imposition of your currency, the Petro dollar. But your country is getting the short end of the stick? Pull your head out of your Fox News bubble, and take a deep draught of air. It'll do you some good. Some advice: Trump lies all the time, so if he's telling you the US is getting ripped off then you can safely assume the opposite.

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To Be Frank's avatar

You make a lot of the usual political assumptions and of course they are all wrong, most Americans feel this way regardless of party affiliation. I am not a Fox News watcher, just a guy that has seen the decline in the standard of living. Everything I said is 100% true and if you don’t like that’s fine. We don’t want to be Canada

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Jason Martin's avatar

Details: President Trump has suggested Canada unfairly put tariffs of over 200% on American dairy products during President Biden's term, but the level has been unchanged since before Biden took office.

The over 200% tariffs on U.S. dairy products are only triggered if U.S. dairy exports exceed certain yearly duty-free limits, and U.S. dairy manufacturers say they have never been close to exceeding these limits.

Additionally, these tariffs were negotiated during the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, which Mr. Trump signed during his first term. Canada's published tariff lists for 2020 and 2025 show tariffs on U.S. dairy products have remained unchanged from the end of his first term through the end of President Biden's term. For example, both lists show the same tariff rate of 245.5% for any cheese products above the duty-free limit.

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To Be Frank's avatar

Would you be ok with reciprocal tariffs? I don’t care about previous trade deals, they don’t work anymore

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Jason Martin's avatar

And why don't the previous trade deals work anymore? Because Trump said so? Why don't they work? The US economy was doing much better than any other western economy since the Pandemic of 2020, so clearly the previous arrangements were working much better for the US than anybody else.

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To Be Frank's avatar

If you don’t know why they don’t work now then it is probably your filtered Canadian media. I don’t care how other countries are doing, the tariffs should be reciprocal, if other countries don’t like it they can trade with country’s other than the US

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Jason Martin's avatar

Did you not read the part about how those dairy tariffs have never actually been imposed? They're simply there to prevent a flooding of the much smaller Canadian market, which, again, is something that has never even come close to happening. So, in reality, the US is not being tariffed one cent by Canada. Not one cent. Trump simply lied, and I can't help but notice that you have repeated his lies here. Where are you getting your information from?

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Joe Das's avatar

How are they not working? Why are they not working? How will tariffs going up and down like a yoyo stabilize the business relationship? Do you allow your grocery store to do this to you? Your customers?

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To Be Frank's avatar

The $200 billion in subsidies to Canada and the unfair tariffs that Canada charges the US makes my point. This is no longer a deal the US can live with and your crying about how unfair it is makes the point. Look at your own government we are done with Canadian welfare

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Jason Martin's avatar

Fact check: Trump’s fantastical claim of a $200 billion ‘subsidy’ to Canada

https://www.macombdaily.com/2025/03/14/fact-check-trumps-fantastical-claim-of-a-200-billion-subsidy-to-canada/

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Andreas Ekengren's avatar

I dug into this a bit and there were very interesting findings not covered in detail in the article.

Crude Oil: In the 12 months ending November 2024, the U.S. imported a record 4.0 million barrels per day (Mb/D) of crude oil from Canada, accounting for 61% of total U.S. crude oil imports.

This is then refined and sold for approx 3x the cost.

Electricity: Canada exports about 49.4 TWh of electricity to the U.S., mainly to states like New York, Michigan, and New England.

If that is cut off utilities would have to find alternative sources, likely increasing electricity rates.

Natural Gas & NGLs: Canada supplies a significant portion of U.S. natural gas, especially in the Northeast and Midwest.

U.S. demand for Canadian goods, especially energy products, is not any form of subsidy.

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Kris's avatar

They’ll happily make deals with other allies, bypassing the US. They will never agree to be a 51st state- that’s the drugs talking .

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To Be Frank's avatar

Nobody wants Canada as a state. It would be the biggest welfare state in the country

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Allen Littman's avatar

I agree 100%. I just hope that Canadians don’t hate all of us Americans who don’t want anything to do with Trump, Musk, or MAGA. Trump is trying to do something bad to Canada, but please remember he’s also trying to hurt America and Americans.

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sotoportego's avatar

I can assure you we do not. For Canadians, so far, it's a bad dream. For Anericans it's alrready a living nightmare. Having said, please get the Orange One out of there as soon as you can, eh?

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Allen Littman's avatar

Not so easy to do under US law. Impeachment requires a >50% vote in the House followed by a 2/3 vote in the senate and that would only make JD the a——— in chief. So that won’t work. Maybe in the long run, if each province in Canada became a US state, there could be a more progressive, or at least more moderate, Congress. Of course, Canadians would say h—l no to that idea! This idea is just meant as a joke, so please don’t take offense, eh? I want to go back to Quebec.

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Matt Habermehl's avatar

Sadly Canadians aren't above hating Americans for this. An old friend of mine yesterday proclaimed that "Americans are assholes". I said, "Really, all of them?!'

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Randy McDonald's avatar

> Trump is trying to do something bad to Canada, but please remember he’s also trying to hurt America and Americans.

Right. But what are the bulk of Americans doing to stop Trump from hurting Canadians? What are Trump's opponents doing?

One-third of American voters voted for Trump and another third of American voters did not bother to vote despite knowing what was at stake. That is a supermajority of American voters; that has to be reckoned with.

(And too many of the one-third of American voters seem to be too concerned with trying to present themselves as "good" Americans to actually do anything concrete.)

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Hans Boserup, Doctor of Law 🇩🇰's avatar

A very wise and thorough analysis that reflects good values. I wish Canada was a much closer cousin to Europe.

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Trish Bongard Godfrey's avatar

So I might understand here as a Canadian, that not only does Trump intend to take cripple and conquer my country 🇨🇦, he intends to usurp the mineral rights owned by many multinational corporations?

Perhaps Americans could turn off Fox News for a little while go online and watch CBC News — that’s our national broadcaster (yes, hello, we are a sovereign nation). Or subscribe to the Globe & Mail, or the Toronto Star, or even, clutch my pearls, watch your very own CNN for — wait for it— facts and opinions that are not Donald Trumps! Maybe they would learn something new.

But the determined ignorance of the masses in the USA is how this has been allowed to happen. Thank you for trying to explain this to your people.

We understand completely. We up here in the country you laugh at understand very well what is at risk here.

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Matt Habermehl's avatar

You got it right about "opinions that are not Trump's" but you might be pushing it to say that our national liberal propaganda outlet, the CBC, traffics in "facts". Not as bad as MSNBC, but close. Really close.

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Trish Bongard Godfrey's avatar

I don’t think it’s a stretch at all when you compare it to what’s going on south of the border on Fox News, etc. Really, CBC would be a lot better if it had more of a budget, regional news and feeder stories coming up from local areas. I agree with that, but I don’t think they’re outright liars. Furthermore, history in Canada proves that most of the country leans towards the liberals most of the time, and therefore it is reflective of the population.

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Matt Habermehl's avatar

Chicken or egg. Does the media reflect the political opinions of the majority or do they MAKE it?

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Joe Das's avatar

While that's a good question, we aren't captive audiences. We can actually go and read the queer magazines, the proud boy manifestos or what have you, and form our own picture of the world.

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JasonT's avatar

Nations have no friends and there is nonroom for sentimentality. Nations have interests and sometimes interests overlap; and sometimes they don't. Right now Canada does not share our interests.

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Ricardamundo's avatar

Yeah, we don't want you bullying your way into our backyard to steal our lawnmower.

Listen, we had an agreed upon trade deal which, when that Orange Turd signed it, he claimed it was the best trade deal ever. Now the same ignoramus is claiming he's getting screwed by Canada. Which is it? It can't be both.

And what is the rationale? You say fentanyl and illegals at the border. Well if you look at the numbers (not Trump's because all he does is lie) neither is much of an issue at the northern border.

It's all about Trump's megalomania. He's a mentally deficient convicted rapist and felon and this who your going to side with?

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Denis Dumont's avatar

Nations have no friends, only interests. Sentimentality has no place in statecraft. When a nation sacrifices its citizens or another nation’s citizens, it isn’t realizing sentimentality—it’s failing its fundamental duty.

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JasonT's avatar

Who has been sacrificed?

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Denis Dumont's avatar

What are nations without their people—people who, as humans, carry sentimentality as part of their nature? Who is being sacrificed? What is being sacrificed? People’s livelihoods are sacrificed daily. The powerful minority sacrifices the dreams and aspirations of many who believed in freedom. Ask the artists, poets, and writers if they use sentiment in their craft. Nations act on interests, not friendships, often at the cost of human lives. Soldiers are sent to war, civilians become collateral damage, and colonized peoples suffer for economic and territorial gain. Allies are abandoned when they no longer serve strategic needs, as seen with the Kurds and South Vietnamese. Governments have sacrificed their own citizens, from Stalin’s purges to China’s Cultural Revolution. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with modern conflicts, show that statecraft prioritizes power over sentiment. When nations fail to protect people, they do not exhibit sentimentality—they betray their fundamental duty. The U.S. Constitution itself is being sacrificed.

This betrayal was evident on January 6th, when law enforcement officers faced brutal assaults while defending the U.S. Capitol. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick suffered fatal strokes after being sprayed with chemicals. Officers Howard Liebengood, Jeffrey Smith, Gunther Hashida, and Kyle DeFreytag died by suicide in the aftermath. Over 140 officers sustained serious injuries, including concussions, broken bones, burns, and PTSD. Many were beaten with metal pipes, crushed in doorways, or sprayed with bear spray. The attack left lasting physical and psychological scars, underscoring the immense sacrifice made by those who stood in defense of democracy.

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JasonT's avatar

J6 was a riot instigated by actors for the Democrat party and their State allies. It was used for political theatre and the last election was, among other things, a reaction against that corruption. I'll respect your concern for J6 when I see the Left take responsibility for the domestic terrorism of the BLM movement, ANTIFA and the current violence against Tesla. And then maybe we can talk about sentimentality and national morality.

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Jason Martin's avatar

To everyone else in the world, looking in from outside of your crazy disinformation bubble, you seem genuinely nuts. That there are so many crazies like you is what terrifies me.

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Joe Das's avatar

Hanging a gallows for the vice president does not a riot make. That is high treason.

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Ricardamundo's avatar

Good grief. You drank an extra dose of the KKKoolaid didn't you? Maybe try thinking for yourself instead of spouting Fox News talking points.

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J Carter's avatar

I can't entirely agree. Here again is the risk of binaries from either side: failure to recognize amorality in states (particularly one's own) pursuing their interests is just the other side of failure to recognize that its actions are defined by individual relationships in aggregate. They do change. They are mutable. It's just slow and very hazy.

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JasonT's avatar

Morality in statecraft is a tough one, and I don't disbelieve it exists. Funny though, a lot of people railing against US morality at the moment reject the concept of individual morality. State morality is doing the right thing by its citizens, which will almost never (or never) be the wrong thing for any other nation not presently being an aggressor. The US has a long history of purportedly doing good for others while throwing its own citizens under the bus. The pols have done all right by themselves.

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Jacqueline Brinsmead's avatar

However, Canada is of great interest to the USA which is the real problem.

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JasonT's avatar

We would like Canada to help us secure the border. Trade has been a tender spot for decades.

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Jacqueline Brinsmead's avatar

Trade has also regulated by NAFTA for decades. Sadly, in instances where there has been disagreement, the results of arbitration have frequently been ignored by the USA. The softwood lumber question has been raised more than once with the results supportly Canada, but we are still being penalized.

With regard to securing the border, less than 1% of illegal immigrants or drugs enter the US from Canada according to the US Border Patrol. The majority of illegal immigrants, drugs, and guns coming into Canada is from the USA.

Trump is looking for an excuse to destroy our economy and then to take our resources. The border is just one of his multiplicity of reasons that he is tossing out there to justify his illegal actions.

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Joe Das's avatar

It's a shakedown, pure and simple. It used to be soft and manageable. Now there are threats by someone who then says, "I was just joking." There are biblical Proverbs about such people. It does not end well.

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Jane Hall Design's avatar

The US is a net exporter of drugs, people and most importantly guns. You like to make demands of your neighbours but in Canada your drugs are killing our people and your guns are used by cartels in Mexico and used to kill people in Canada. I think we should start making demands on you

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JasonT's avatar

Good point, if the US didn't supply guns the cartels would be throwing rocks. Cheers.

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Joe Das's avatar

You test my patience. Here is the flow of cash:

US-Canada:

The drugs and precursors come from Asia.

The guns come from the USA (because Canada makes guns, but our markets are tightly controlled. I live near Colt Canada where we make guns for our own forces and a few NATO partners as well.)

The mobs use US (and now increasingly 3D printed) guns to ply their "trade" domestically. Car theft, including violent car robberies, kids stealing high value merch from malls, break-ins, and of course the drug trade which needs the other "industries as tributaries. Some human trafficking rounds out the picture. A few Africans and south Asians try to use Canada as a staging ground to get to the US, but it's not many, and of those who do, some end up dying of exposure. It's heartbreaking really.

US-Mexico:

The cartels learned how to outdo Pablo Escobar and the godmother. Because Jackson, Polk & Co out-Putin'd Putin in the south and southwest, they robbed mexico of a lot of their best land. mexico becomes a S***show and people want out by the millions, of course including latin America which is also dirt poor. (Maj-Gen Smedley Butler USMC can enlighten you.) As a result, the institutions of Mexico are weak, and violent shadow institutions arise in their place. Some of them actually fostered by US foreign policy.

Why do you keep believing Trump & Co.'s bullshit?

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JasonT's avatar

You may not like Trump's style but he doesn't deal in bullshit. I wish you well.

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Joe Das's avatar

Look at the numbers, Jason. The whole argument is specious. The Mexican border is where you get, for all intents and purposes, -all- of your drugs and illegal migrants. So you want John Foster Dull logic? Keep it up and you'll have a decades long insurgency on your hands while the entire continent goes to pot, better than Spencer Pootis dreamed.

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JasonT's avatar

You contend that Canada has a tight border and has not gamed the trade agreements?

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Joe Das's avatar

We never -needed- a tight border, because the Canadian mafia knew its place. The rizutto family reported to the Bonanno family, and the Irish and Russian mob knew their place as well. As for Trade agreements, the arrangement was smooth except for the usual irritants (lumber, dairy products, certain types of intellectual property.) They remained a relatively small part of the total trade picture, as the US and Canada trade 2 billion dollars of merchandise a -day-. If anything the US is buying the products at a discount because we found it easier to just let the elephant rape us than sell at market value.

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Joe Das's avatar

For some details, refer to this, for example

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/common-nafta-trade-irritants/

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Jane Hall Design's avatar

You had the perfect Canadian response. You had a reasoned comment backed with current information on the complex issues that the neighbours of the most powerful country in the world, and the US’s role in destabilizing those neighbours in the world for profit. I actually learned some things that added to my knowledge

You furthered your argument with context referencing history of Canada, US and Mexico. You correctly pointed out that Mexico was a European colony that still suffers from their exploitation, as do all the other marginalized groups (also known as DEI recipients)

You used full sentences with the correct spelling and punctuation. It demonstrates that you are a product of one of the top five best education systems in the world

This education is Canadas super power. We embrace diversity and research shows that companies that employ DEI policies are 18-20% more profitable because their employees represent the diversity of the US population. Companies need knowledge of the cultural environment to appeal to all of the “DEI” population The US will ultimately lose their power by rejecting everyone who isn’t a white Christian man which represents only 25% of the population in the US

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sotoportego's avatar

Yup, Henry Kissenger Lives! Putin agrees with you. Ukraine and most of Europe does not.

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